Bigfoot Lunch Club: London in Oregon

More information has come out about those BF prints seen just south of Eugene. Many bloggers have been posting info; including Sharon Lee, etc. Here's location from Bigfoot Lunch Club: Bigfoot Lunch Club: London in Oregon and Sharon's post.

Still giddy at the thought of Bigfoot so close to home, :)

Should Bigfoot be shot? Hypothetical... - JREF Forum

A JREF thread posing the question: "Should Bigfoot Be Shot?" Many are against shooting a BF, but some are all for it. But the following is disturbing for not only the pro-kill belief, but the "it's okay to "wound" a possible human" stance:
Should Bigfoot be shot? Hypothetical... - JREF Forum:

I'd shoot to cripple, not to kill. Chances are it's a human; no felony charges involved if you don't kill them. And on the (very) off chance that it is the Boss of the Woods, a crippled one still proves the existence of the species.

Then there's this comment from notorious skeptoid (ain't no such thing as a Bigfoot!) "Parnassus":

Anyone who takes a shot at a "bigfoot" should be sent to jail, and have his hunting privileges permanently removed. I'd never hunt with anyone who had some idea that bigfoot was real.

Slightly confusing: he thinks shooting Bigfoot merits jail time (agreed!) yet he wouldn't go hunting with "anyone who had some idea that bigfoot was real."

Right in my own backyard! "Bigfoot Evidence: Holy Matt-Moneymaker-on-a-pogo-stick! Over 120 Sequential Bigfoot Prints Found Near Eugene, Oregon!"

Bigfoot Evidence: Holy Matt-Moneymaker-on-a-pogo-stick! Over 120 Sequential Bigfoot Prints Found Near Eugene, Oregon!

Two weeks ago, on February 12th, a man named Toby and his friend, who is a hunter, discovered Bigfoot tracks near a tree line south of Eugene, Oregon. According to estimates by Thom Powell, Guy Edwards (BigfootLunchClub.com), and Finding Bigfoot co-host Cliff Barackman, the tracks consists of over 120 prints.

South of Eugene, over 120 footprint tracks were found in a clay-mixed substrate that was a perfect material to capture and record footprints. We believe the tracks were made as recently as Saturday February 11th, although the first few prints were not discovered until Sunday the 12th.

Oh my god so many questions. South of Eugene, how far, where? Is the Toby mentioned Toby Johnson of OSS fame? So many areas within a crow's shout from my house in the small-mediumish city of Eugene that are wooded and perfect habitat for all kinds of beings, including, of course, Sasquatch.

However, and I am loathe to say this, positively loathed, dahlings, but the image of the print shown at Bigfoot Evidence looks too good to be true. (That doesn't mean it isn't true, or that I don't think Bigfoot doesn't exist.) It just looks too damn perfect. But if the prints are of Sasquatch, --- how wonderful.

"Psychic Sasquatch" ; Inter-Dimensional Vortex League, with Andy Colvin

I really like this. Music and video by Inter-Dimensional Vortex League, with Mothman Photographer's author and researcher Andy Colvin.

'Guns - A Guide to Bigfoot Hunting'

Guns - A Guide to Bigfoot Hunting

From Kithra's Krystal Kave: Global Bigfoot Names

Kithra has put together a very nice article with bits of history and little boxes of   global names for Bigfoot. A useful thing -- thanks kithra! globalbigfootnames

OCCULT VIEW: Bigfoot Sightings Explained

From OCCULT VIEW, these ponderings on what Bigfoot is. Or, isn't. Sasquatch is probably a "standing bear:"
(Bigfoot Sightings Explained)

Ever see videos of a bear standing up? It looks like Bigfoot, especially if seen in the dark. A bear may walk on two legs if it is curious and wants to get a good look at something.

I've never seen a Bigfoot so couldn't say. I have seen standing bears and I don't think I'd confuse the two, if I should be fortunate enough to see a Sasquatch. Witness narratives about their Bigfoot sightings, well, it seems obvious that they weren't mistaking a standing-walking-on-two-legs bear. The given that some cases are indeed ones of bears going through campground sites in search of food, etc. aside, suggesting that all BF sightings are bears is pretty ridiculous.

The elusive wolverine is cited as further evidence Bigfoot isn't Bigfoot:

Doesn't trying to find a wolverine resemble trying to find a Bigfoot? The difference is researchers have found their wolverines. You’d imagine in the process they’d come across a Bigfoot too, if only by accident. Instead Bigfoot appears to hang around campgrounds so it can be videotaped.

Not if Bigfoot is the intelligent, possibly supernatural (for lack of a better term) being that it appears to be. However, an interesting possibility is offered for Bigfoot:

There may be an outside chance Bigfoot is actually an esoteric entity. History is full of legends and folklore of the Wild Man, of giants and trolls and ogres. These are not physical beings, but creatures of the imagination and hard to see or define: Blurry Beings. Trying to snap the picture of a troll would probably get results similar to our current assembly of Bigfoot photos…fuzzy and indistinct. Are Bigfoot sightings actually troll sightings?

Intriguing, and the idea that Sasquatch is a fairy or elemental has been suggested in the past by others. (see Lisa Shiel: Water Gods: UFOs, Bigfoot, Fairies.) However, trolls and ogres are usually malevolent creatures; this doesn't seem to accurately describe Sasquatch behavior. I'm not sure what the writer means by "...creatures of the imagination." Does he mean the imagination of the witness, or something outside of us, the human witness?

It's true that the data bank of Sasquatch images is full of blobsquatches, but what of the Patterson film? If that is footage of a real Bigfoot, so much for "blurry." "Patty" certainly looks flesh and blood, but as some of the Fortean type BF researchers think, (including myself) Bigfoot could be both. Appearing solid at times, manifesting in ethereal ways other times.

Note: also see my article at Binnall of America: Fairies, Bigfoot and Hauntings.

Bigfoot Evidence: What Happened to the Lake Worth Monster? The Summer of the Goat-Man

The 1969 Lake Worth Monster story has always fascinated me; a classic in the lore of BHM (big hairy monsters). Big Evidence has the following:Bigfoot Evidence: What Happened to the Lake Worth Monster? The Summer of the Goat-Man

Back in 1969, the residents of Ft. Worth, Texas experienced a wave of sightings of a 7 foot tall white Bigfoot type creature which came to be known as the 'Lake Worth Monster, aka the 'Goat-Man'. Described as tall, furry, and covered with scales, (yep, scales), the local newspaper headline read, "Fishy Man-Goat Terrifies Couples Parked at Lake Worth". Some witnesses said that it had the head and hooves of a goat, bringing to mind images of a satyr, a half-man half-goat from Greek mythology. They insisted it also had scales and was an excellent swimmer, often making its retreat by way of Lake Worth to Greer Island, where it was thought to live.

LGF Pages:Texas DNA specialist writes that Sasquatch is a modern human being.

LGF Pages - Texas DNA specialist writes that Sasquatch is a modern human being.

According to a copyright application, rural Texas veterinarian/DNA lab owner, Melba Ketchum, DVM, is coming out with the news that the folklore beast called Sasquatch or Bigfoot is real!!

"Beast?" Sigh. Worse, weirder and more bizarrely, Dr. Ketchum is applying for a patent. Surreal to consider that, if Sasquatch is more human than not, or, even human indeed in some way, that this being can be "patented." Then what? That is a huge question. All this time I thought the NO KILL/NO CAPTURE issue was the only one to be concerned about.

The Bigfoot Filmography

Very cool; something I thought of doing a few years back. I'm sure many of us have! I even started collecting DVDs of BF films -- the good, the bad, the ridiculous. But quickly realized I just didn't have the time, and, some of the movies were so bad ... I mean, bad, not "so bad it's good" but just ...bad. Enough about that; visit Dave Coleman's site which gives us a ton of links to Bigfoot blogs and sites, and ordering information on the book. The Bigfoot Filmography

BIGFOOT BOOK BEING SOLD BY AUTHOR | eBay

Local (Willamette Valley) researcher Darin Richardson is offering a signed edition of his book on ebay:BIGFOOT BOOK BEING SOLD BY AUTHOR | eBay Take a look!

Ghost Hunting Theories: Is Bigfoot Flesh and Blood?

Ghost Hunting Theories: Is Bigfoot Flesh and Blood?

Free NO KILL/NO CAPTURE Badge

Free NO KILL/NO CAPTURE badge to use on your blogs and sites. I made it; you're free to change font style and colors. Show your support for the protection of Sasquatch.

Links

Be sure to check the link list on the right to other Bigfoot blogs and sites. I just added Bizarre Bigfoot; list is updated often so have fun exploring new places to visit!

NH court upholds Bigfoot’s free speech rights - Boston.com

Court allows Jonathan Doyle to wear his "monkey costume" in the state park and interview people about Bigfoot. So how long will it be untile someone takes a shot at him?NH court upholds Bigfoot’s free speech rights - Boston.com

Sad: "Sasquatch Must Die"

"Kwin the Eskimo" writes about why he (or she) thinks it's legitimate to kill a Sasquatch:Sasquatch Must Die.

The "non-kill crowd" uses many tactics to support their position. They like to claim that Sasquatch is "too close to humans" and killing one would be murder. This is nonsense. Sasquatch are not human. If they exist, they are animals. They should not be given the protection of a threatened murder charge. It is not in argument that Sasquatch should be a protected species after it is verified that they exist. Certainly this would make sense. However, threats of criminal charges and laws that preemptively protect Sasquatch are nonsensical tripe unless someone presents a body. While they are at it, why don't they outlaw killing unicorns.

I left a comment:

I disagree. I am militantly NO KILL/NO CAPTURE. You wrote: "It needs to be made clear that the "non-kill crowd" has an agenda." Yes, I have an agenda: it's a NO KILL agenda. You go on to say that we'd be "out of business" if a body is found. I'm not in any business, so that leaves me out of your theory. IF it were to be proved BF exists without bringing in a dead body,there would still be mysteries to explore. This field of strangeness: UFOs, Bigfoot, what have you, has always, and will always, have its share of exploiters. That aside, to put everyone who explores these mysteries as nothing more than gaudy carny types is inaccurate.

Your contention that Sasquatch are "not human" and just an animal, therefore it's okay to kill one, is also inaccurate. We don't know what Sasquatch is. Witnesses who have seen one are often profoundly moved by its human like appearance. So if it is closer to human that not,the reasons against killing it are obvious. But even if Sasquatch is "just an animal" that is still no reason to kill it. We don't have that right. (We are "just animals" as well.) Clearly Sasquatch is an intelligent creature, human like or not. However, killing it or not shouldn't be based on a perceived intelligence level -- the idea that we have the right to kill a creature simply because we want to, which is what it gets down to, is immoral.

You are also inaccurate, and in fact, disingenuous, in saying the following: "Those with the "no-kill" philosophy should be relegated to the "Sasquatch is a shape-shifter, trans-dimentional, UFO pilot" camp. Their position does nothing to further true research and legitimacy than the rest of the woo-woo crowd." Not all who support a NO KILL policy are, as you put it, "woo woo." (There's a lot more I'd like to say about all that and the role of research but that'd be veering off in another direction.)

I always wonder at the aggressive need of those like yourself who believe it's important to kill a being for no other reason than to satisfy personal ego. That is how I see it: prove to science it exists, really, why? What is your "agenda?"

Pools and Bigfoot

I had another Bigfoot dream this morning. I just realized that I've had several dreams about Bigfoot and water. (I searched for one "dream" I could have sworn I had posted here some time ago, but I can't find it. That dream involved an OOBE and an unexpected run in with a Sasquatch on the beach.) I also realized, after writing this, that once again, concrete is involved. What the symbolism means I have no idea yet.

I'm on the Oregon coast, I think we just moved there. My husband is with me. It's very  hot. There's only one public outdoor swimming pool in the whole area. It's huge, the size of four or five regular sized pools. So many people want to use the pool when it's hot that there's a lottery. Thousands of people are here, waiting to use the pool. The pool is outdoors, lots of concrete and in fact, the pool is surrounded by parking structures (not something you'd see on the Oregon coast) that are three, four stories high. I'm excited to hear I'm one of the winners. I have to quickly change into my bathing suit and jump in. But the bathrooms are a ways away and I don't want to waste all this precious time going all the way to the bathroom to change. But I can't change out in the open either. I notice a couple of people who are used to this duck under one of the parking structure pillars or posts to change. I call up to my husband, who's standing in one of the parking structure levels that surround the pool (lots of people hanging out on  the levels) to toss my suit down to me. He does, and I run into the parking structure closet to me, and change behind a pole. I'm a little nervous about this -- I certainly don't want to be seen! But it seems to be all right. I worry a little bit about my clothes but oh well. I jump in, oh, feels so good! 
We all have a good time. Later, it occurs to us and some friends, as we're talking about the day, the coast, the future of the area, etc. that what this town needs is an indoor, year round pool. Why hasn't anyone thought of this?! A few days later, my husband and I are walking around the town, and notice a huge sign that reads "Newport Pool" or something like that. We go inside, and find a man has just opened up the first indoor year round pool in the area. Fantastic! He's really done it right too: a small pool just for kids, a lap pool, an exercise pool, and three pools for recreational swims. I notice this man -- who seems to be in his sixties, gray haired, glasses, nice enough looking man and pleasant -- is wearing a black fleece vest with an emblem on it that has the initials of a Bigfoot research group -- an Oregon one, that investigates Sasquatch on the coast. I feel a thrill but don't say anything. The man says to us, sort of randomly, after explaining the pool hours and rules, "Bigfoot is around here, he's here in the woods." And I say "Oh, I know!" He says "My dog smells them all the time, and they know we know they're here." He asks us if we want to see his film of Bigfoot. Of course we do! We follow him upstairs to his room. It's very dim in there and he starts the camera rolling. An old camera with reels and film, and a screen he pulls down hanging on his wall. He tells us he hasn't seen Bigfoot but has "felt, heard, and smelled him," many times, and is sure he's caught fleeting images of movement on the film that can only be Bigfoot. He describes the chuffing kind of sound he's heard many times, so close, that can be no other kind of animal. Only Bigfoot. He's in telepathic communication with Sasquatch, this is clear and yet, he doesn't really come out and say this. We all know this but it's unsaid. It's too "crazy" to come out and say so, but it's understood.


We watch the film, it's in murky color but the images are clear, and sure enough, we see movement behind the trees. It can only be Bigfoot. Of that we're sure.

Then, damnit, the alarm went off!

Related posts:
Bigfoot Dream
Bigfoot in Australia -- Kind of
Weird Little Dream About Aliens and Bigfoot
Jovial Guy in a Bigfoot Suit

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The Search For Bigfoot: Kill v. No-Kill v. Habituation

Melisa Hovey at The Search for Bigfoot brings up good questions to ponder. She ends by asking us what we think -- I have to go now, off to the so called real world of work, but I'll be thinking of the issues Melisa has brought up. How can we protect a creature from harm if it, in the practical sense, doesn't exist? (By "practical" I mean, science/law/society as a whole has not confirmed its existence. Obviously the witnesses have!) If, as Melisa says, there are no laws on the books about killing a BF, or acknowledging its existence, how can Sasquatch be protected from being killed or harmed? I think one way is to advocate for laws to be passed, such as the one in Sakima, WA. Anyway, read her post here:The Search For Bigfoot: Kill v. No-Kill v. Habituation

thomsquatch: The Coconut Telegraph

I was searching for anything that might come up on a local sighting from 2001, (didn't find anything ... yet...) when I found this post at Thom Powell's thomsquatch blog. It's from January of 2011. Are Sasquatch telepathic? Can we communicate with them via dreams, esp, and so on? Can the two worlds: scientific methods, sending out the "vibes" work together? Read it and find out. I enjoyed it, hope you do as well. thomsquatch: The Coconut Telegraph

Robert McLuhan on Anecdotal Evidence | TDG - Science, Magick, Myth and History

The very excellent Daily Grail brings us the following, by Alan Borky:Robert McLuhan on Anecdotal Evidence. Borky comments on his reading of McLuhan's article on anecdotal evidence:

In his piece McLuhan makes the observation "the skeptic’s most popular arguments is that anecdotal evidence can’t be relied on".

The problem with that particular skeptical position is it misses the point ALL EVIDENCE IS ANECDOTAL.

There is much more that is insightful and powerful. In this brief review Borky really gets it.